Saturday, 8 September 2012

Law and Order

Whilst the press are now distracted by the goings in in France it at least gives me a chance to discuss other shooting matters close to home, yes it does beg the question regarding contract killers making an utter mess of things and the French Investigators are led by a Magistrate so that will be fun but we have had some of our own issues here.
Thankfully they have been released without charge but Internet forums have been buzzing with the usual suspects shouting about police incompetence and bullying attempting to persecute the shooters even if they cant prosecute them. Then the serving plod have responded with the usual responses which predictably get a bit defensive but to be honest they cant win. They cant catch the scrotes, they cant return your property and often don't investigate hoping that a criminal when caught usually by their own stupidity will accept responsibility for many of these  crimes despite never having been  near them so as to get an easier sentence. This is actually illegal and causes light touch sentencing which the plod then blame on the judiciary.
Meanwhile in a police cell someone who hasn't broken a single law gets 3 days of grief and isn't aloud to talk to their wife in the cause of investigating a crime. The crime was scumbags broke in. The Householder reacted within his rights and hasn't actually broken any laws. trust me he hasn't.
Now  for those of you unused to dealing with the Police a handy guide has been drafted by a kind member of the Army Rumour Service. As you may expect it is funny in places but tragically so as it seems to be true;


"1. Never explain to the Police


If the Police arrive to lock you up, say nothing. You are a decent person and you may think that reasoning with the Police will help. “If I can only explain, they will realise it is all a horrible mistake and go away”. Wrong. We do want to talk to you on tape in an interview room but that comes later. All you are doing by trying to explain is digging yourself further in. We call that stuff a significant statement and we love it. Decent folk can’t help themselves, they think that they can talk their way out. Wrong.

Admit Nothing


To do anything more than lock you up for a few hours we need to prove a case. The easiest route to that is your admission. Without it, our case may be a lot weaker, maybe not enough to charge you with. In any case, it is always worth finding out exactly how damning the evidence is before you fall on your sword. So don’t do the decent and honourable thing and admit what you have done. Don’t even deny it or try to give your side of the story. Just say nothing. No confession and CPS are on the back foot already. They forsee a trial. They fear a trial. They are looking for any excuse to send you home free.


Keep your mouth shut


Say as little as possible to us. At the custody office desk a Sergeant will ask you some questions. It is safe to answer these. For the rest of the time, say nothing.


Claim Suicidal Thoughts

A debatable one this. Claiming to be thinking about topping yourself has several benefits. If you can keep it up, it might just bump up any compensation payable later. On the other hand you may find yourself in a paper suit with someone watching your every move.


Always always always have a solicitor


Duh. No brainer this one. Unless you know 100% for sure that your mate the solicitor does criminal law and is good at it, ask for the Duty Solicitor. They certainly do criminal law and they are good at it. Then listen to what the solicitor says and do it. Their job is to get you off without the Cops or CPS laying a glove on you if at all possible. It is what they get paid for. They are free to you. There is no down side. Now decent folks think it makes them look like they have something to hide if they ask for a solicitor. Irrelevant. Going into an interview without a solicitor is like taking a walk in Tottenham with a big gold Rolex. Bad things are very likely to happen to you. I wouldn’t do it and I interview people for a living.


Actively complain about every officer and everything they do

Did they cuff you when they brought you in? Were they rude to you? Did they racially or homophobically abuse you? Didn’t get fed? Cell too cold? You are decent folk who don’t want to make a fuss but trust me, it pays to whinge and no matter how trivial and / or poorly founded your complaint there are people who will uncritically listen to you and try and prove the complaint on your behalf. Some of them are even police officers. Nothing like a complaint to muddy the waters and suggest that you are only in court because the vindictive Cops have a grudge against you. Far fetched? Wait until your solicitor spins it in court and you come over as Ghandi.


Show no respect to the legal system or anybody working in it


You think that if you are a difficult, unpleasant, sneering, unco-operative and rude things will go badly for you and you will be in more trouble. No sirree Bob. It seems that in fact the worse you are, the easier things will go for you if, horror of horrors, you do end up convicted. Remember to fake a drink problem if you haven’t developed one as a result of dealing with us already. Magistrates and Judges do seem to like the idea that you are basically good but the naughty alcohol made you do it. They treat you better. Crazy I know but true.



So there you go, basically anything you try and do because you are decent and straightforward hurts you badly. Act like an habitual, professional, lifestyle criminal and chances are you will walk away relatively unscathed. Copy the bad guys, its what they do for a living."

So there you have it, if it was a level playing field then the armed response units wouldn't shoot so many innocent persons and never be called to account for it would they?

3 comments:

Hippo said...

I, as a decent, honest and above all wholly innocent citizen found myself in exactly this sort of situation. Hearing the police were looking for me I reported to the local nick where I was invited into a nice comfortable room 'for a quick chat, we can sort this out in no time'. I was then cautioned and arrested, taken down to the cells and divested of anything I might harm myself with and bunged in an empty cell with a plastic 2 inch thick mattress and left there to sweat for six hours (I was and still am a heavy smoker and, by God, I really needed a drink). Then I was taken to an interview room and asked if I wanted a solicitor. Of course I didn't, I was innocent, didn't the first copper say this would all be cleared up quickly?

I broke every single one of these rules and, through no wit of my own and now that I have red this I should say, despite my stupidity' I was eventually released on police bail. Being a decent chap, I informed my employers (lest they found out in the press or local gossip) and was promptly sacked. Six weeks of agony and no news later I went into the barn with my .357 and seriously considered putting one through my swede. I didn't even have the guts for that. So I swallowed my pride and went to the only solicitor I knew, he had conveyed my house purchase (one which I would lose if I could not find another job) and he said 'Let's go!' Down to the nick we went and he laced into them. Within 30 minutes we were sitting in front of a Chief Superintendant and my brief was explaining everything he was going to sue them for, wrongful arrest, unlawful detention, denial of basic comforts, no medical examination prior to detention (didn't they know I had a heart condition? I didn't know either but as it turned out, I did), a whole heap of shit. He went berserk when the Super admitted that within 24 hours they had already established I could not be guilty but 'wanted to concude their investigations before informing all interested parties'. If my solicitor was angry when he heard that, he was incandescent with me when I told him I just wanted to go away and not press a complaint and sue for compensation explaining, as I did, that in the mind of the gutter press fed populace, there is no smoke without fire.

It is that single factor that everyone in these sorts of cases forgets. If anyone finds out that you have even been charged and then released, your integrity is already in question.

So you walk away, your life in fucking ruins, and start again.

The DI in charge did volunteer to go and have a word with my ex boss and set things straight but, thanking him for his kind offer, I told him he had already done enough for me.

I really wish I'd had a copy of this post of yours, Bambi Basher, when they lifted me.

One of your BEST posts ever and a public service.

With your permission, I would like to repeat it verbatim on my blog with full credit to you and the Army Rumour Service in the hope that no-one else has to go through what I did. It was fucking scary and it caused a dramatic change not only to my then current circumstances, but my whole future. Looking back on it, with anguish and anger, I should have stuffed the bastards for every penny they had.

Cro Magnon said...

Notes taken. I await arrest!

Bambibasher said...

"Looking back on it, with anguish and anger, I should have stuffed the bastards for every penny they had."
Sadly though they dont learn from it, you arent an IC3 saint Stephen of Lawrence and it wont make a difference and you and I both know that the cash comes from your taxes anyway. Its the sort of thing we dont do because we know its pointless, revenge cant be found in court!
As for lifting the post, fill your boots!